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Monday, September 08, 2008

My Thoughts on the Hillsong "Healer" scandal

 
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It was an amazing, powerful story.  29-year-old pastor Michael Guglielmucci, who had been suffering from cancer for the past 2 years, steps out onto the stage at the Hillsong conference in Australia.  With oxygen tank at his side, he leads the congregation in a song has written believing that God will heal him:

 “You hold my every moment
You calm my raging seas
You walk with me through fire
And heal all my disease
I trust in You

I believe You’re my Healer
I believe You are all I need
I believe You're my Portion
I believe You're more than enough for me
Jesus You're all I need

Nothing is impossible for You
Nothing is impossible for You
Nothing is impossible for You
You hold my world in Your hands”

 It’s the most powerful moment of the conference.  The congregation is left weeping, inspired by the courage of this man to boldly proclaim his faith.  The song “Healer”, becomes a huge hit.  It’s the centerpiece of Hillsong’s new album “This is our God”; the video clip of Guglielmucci singing gets millions of views on YouTube; the song becomes a resource for the church; Chris Tomlin puts the song on his iTunes playlist, saying it’s one of the most incredible stories he’s ever heard.

One problem: The story’s not true.  Guglielmucci never had cancer. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wqRAJrl0eA

 The story broke a couple weeks ago, and left his family, his church and his fans in total shock.  At an interview, he states that he told the cancer lie to cover up the fact that he has been addicted to pornography for the past 16 years.

This is an incredibly disturbing story.  It’s good to see Guglielmucci finally telling the truth, seeking help and pledging to return all the money donated to his medical bills.  This is one messed up guy, but hopefully he can get the help he needs.

One question remains, what to we do with the song?  Hillsong has recalled copies of the CD, and removed the song from future versions of the CD and DVD.  YouTube has removed the clip of him singing, and all online resources and songbooks have removed the charts and sheet music for the song.

This is a difficult question, because not only is it a beautiful song, but if you look at the lyrics, it is full of truth.  I was actually about to give this song to our music pastor just before I found out about the story.  We have many people in our church suffering from cancer, and I felt that the song would be an inspiration.  The problem is, when I remember the clip: the oxygen mask, the congregation weeping, everyone admiring this man…

As a worship leader, I can’t sing this song right now.  Guglielmucci has gotten too much fame, praise and attention for this song, and the fact that he so brazenly based it on a lie…I don’t know.  This is a unique situation.  Never has a congregational worship song been tainted in such a way. As worship leader Vicky Beeching puts it, you hate to “throw the baby away with the bathwater”, but in this case, I don’t think we need to give Guglielmucci the man or any of his works’ any attention so he can get the help he needs in peace.

 Your thoughts?

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Pornography is a cancer of the mind and soul. He still has a disease...one which only Jesus can heal. The question is, can the church forgive him? We know God already has...

If you think this song is God-inspired, then don't let the enemy destroy it. If it's man-inspired, then let it go. But you certainly shouldn't grovel in disillusionment about a man's sin...we're all capable of doing exactly the same thing he did, and worse even.

Just my thoughts.

By the way...nice to see you slumming it here in Xangaland...  

Posted 9/8/2008 5:41 PM by mommyfish Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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Hard stuff: welcome to the fallen world; Restoration and forgiveness is God's way; I know how songs can make you remember the time, the place, the feelings of the first time you've heard a song. Overcoming the "rest of the story" ouch. I know how I love to relate to the congregation the "story behind the song/hymns".

Remember, Amy Grant and her divorce? Sandi Patty and her stuff and other Christian artists? The pulpit is as hallowed, if not more than, the worship leaders role in leading people.

I believe Time heals, More importantly, I believe God heals.  My thoughts...

Posted 9/9/2008 5:38 PM by yorealdaddy - recommend - reply

Hmm... This is an extremely sensitive subject obviously. But in my experience as a Worship Leader/Songwriter I feel that I cannot write any songs that can impact anyone. I truly believe that the Holy Spirit that dwells in us writes them. Many songs are cries of our heart. Yet again whom are we to pass judgment on Michael. Who is carrying a stone? Does his struggles totally negate the message the song ministers? If anyone believes that we ought to throw it out then that person may just as well rip out the book of Psalms and probably Proverbs. Wait...wait... let me think...hmmm... Jacob was a deceiver, Noah was a drunk, David an adulterer and murder, Paul a murder, Peter a big mouthed, hot headed, front running, chicken man who denied Christ thrice, and we can go on an on BUT GOD USED THEM!!!!
So Brothers and Sisters, God forbid we throw the baby out with the bath water, because God still uses us despite our failures and weekness'.
Blessings...
Posted 10/4/2008 5:43 PM by antonio - recommend - reply

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In my opinion, it is not the song, but the act. I will try and say that as non-judgemental as I can. Ministering in song is just as powerful as the pastor who ministers the sermon. My point is thus: I am glad that he has come out and told the truth. I hope that he is recovering well.


I don't think the song should be abolished, I just think that the event where he sings the song should be taken off the shelves. In my opinion, in the spiritual world, the person who ministers should be as close to divinity as possible at the time of ministering. I believe in the transfer of demons, EF 6 from vs 10 if we don't cover us with the armour of God, we can become susceptable to things like these. The fact that he was singing a song indicating that it applied to his own life, he was ministering untruthfully, this is not right, in addition to this, he was addicted to pornography - This puts us at risk, and I feel that only the item where he sings it himself should not be listened to (removed).

Posted 6/25/2009 1:30 AM by Cindyjanua - recommend - reply

When i remember how much God has forgiven me....I can then understand why Michael did what He did...Then I gorgive Him. On the other hand, the devil got to know what impact the song would have to all the broken hearted, the wounded, the sick, the fallen...the devil saw doom. He devised a plan and used it on Michael ans seemingly it has worked so well. Except for those of us who know the truth of the song. Thank God i heard it long before hillsong could pull it out of their album! Michael fell, i hope there are people who will help him get up and get used by GOD again and again. To me, He's a vessel God would want to use over and over again as compared to other 'cleaner' vessels! My thoughts....
Posted 10/28/2009 11:16 PM by Rex Titus - recommend - reply

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hey friend. i randomly decided to jump into xanga for a bit...and heck, you may never even read this...its funny that this is your post. I never knew any of this happened and i find its a very sad situation. But i think that God uses us even in our sin to further His kingdom, Hes done that even in my own life. I dont think the song needs to bear the guilt of mans indiscretion. Its a beautiful song that encourages me and draws me in. I think the key is remembering who we are worshipping, are we singing to the man who wrote it, or the Holy Spirit who inspired it, and the God whom its about. It is terrible to use a gimmick to urge a "spiritual" response, because thats not bringing people to a genuine worship, and when it falls flat or is found out to be the farce it is, God takes the brunt and its not His doing...do you remember along time back when masters commission came to the youth group and did a bunch of dramas and stuff? well i remember one of the guys told a testimony and everyone was really inspired and all that comes with ones testimony. Later after a couple of the guys stayed the night at your place you told me that he said part of his testimony wasnt true, that he spiced it up with someone elses story. He tried to laugh it off like it was funny...how is that really any different? its not


anyway, i find it interesting that this is the story behind the song, ive learned it recently here at church. our worship leader introduced it to us. And i love the song. So use it if you feel like God can be bigger than the situation it came from. :)

Posted 3/17/2010 10:27 AM by Godzkid82 - recommend - reply

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Granted, The writer made up a story about this song that wasn't true.
I cannot call him a liar because the bible says We who judge do the same things.
So, One, If you've never told a lie, cast the first stone.
Two, What if Mike's prayer and faith was that God would help him break free of his addictions? Have we forgotten that God looks at the motive /the inside?
Three. If any one word in this song is not true, or for that matter is a lie,
If He doesn't hold your every moment, calm your raging seas, walk with you through fire
And heal all your disease, Don't Sing this song, because when we sing, we actually confess the words we are singing!
Posted 3/31/2010 4:30 AM by rbobsie - recommend - reply

I thing God doesn't waste anything. So a song that was written and sung out of a lie, still has truth. I think it will still inspire, comfort, and move people. When I sing worship songs I take it on reflecting on my own life and struggles. And when I belt it out I'm not thinking about anyone but God and how he is working in my life. Who wrote it doesn't even pass my mind. I mean I'm sure you being a song writer makes things a little diffrent for you in the way you look at songs but let me tell you to the aveage Joe it means nothing. God has forgiven Michael and so should we. Yeah what he did was pretty bad but he is a struggling man. He's still a child of Christ and we are suppose to lift those people up and support and encourage. Just cus you play the song doesn't mean it's gonna reflect on michael. How selfish are we that we would take away a song about our Creator, of which every word of that song is so true? I think everyone needs to let the michael thing go and play the song.
Posted 7/9/2010 1:59 PM by Rhyan - recommend - reply

I think this is a wonderful song. Although the story surrounding it is false, the inspiration that comes from it is not. The Bible tells us that God uses sinners for good, and I think that is the case with this song. God is still getting His message out.
Posted 9/7/2010 6:14 AM by stefani - recommend - reply

Although, he [Guglielmucci], did a dispicable thing that has profound consequences on the ministry of Jesus Christ, as a fellow sister in Christ mentioned, God has already forgiven him if he has been truthful, we [the church] must also forgive. Who are we to say that the song was not God inspired? Remember, the Lord works in misterious ways and he can turn a bad thing around for his purpose and glory. To him be the praise. If the song can give others battling cancer some hope, then I say why not use it.

Posted 11/6/2010 10:39 AM by servant - recommend - reply

Cults like this need more investigation. How many fake "healings" go on? Any fake should result in criminal charges.
Posted 5/25/2011 1:15 AM by Oswald Johnson - recommend - reply

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You don't need to ever use this song.

There are hundreds of thousands of songs written by sincere
Christian musicians which speak "truth". Forgive? Sure.
But continue to feed this man CCLI/CCM residual$ by u$ing
mu$ic that was birthed in a lie, thus rewarding such behaviour?
I don't think so.

While it's not really for me to judge, I sincerely doubt his
"addicted to porn" story either. It's just a coverup for all
the rest of his untenable deceptions, skillfully designed to
conjure up maximum sympathy by the deceived.

Who does the bible say is the "father of lies"?
Who does the bible say is the "Way, the Truth, and the Life"?

Yes, we've all sinned and fallen short.
But that does not mean that sin does not have consequences.

Lose the song.
There are plenty of other better ones.
Posted 8/2/2011 2:06 PM by coltrain210 - recommend - reply

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I just want to throw this out there because so far no one else has mentioned it. Does the use of this song bother your conscience? In Paul's first letter to the Corinthians he writes responding to a question about eating meat sacrificed to idols. He tells them that while there is nothing wrong with the practice in itself, if some of the brothers and sisters are bothered by it then the ones who aren't bothered by it should abstain for the sake of those who are. Now to relate it to this situation. When you lead worship and play this song can you guarantee that no one in your congregation is bothered by it? Do you know for sure that everyone is engaging in the worship of our Lord or are some of them simply being reminded of this man's deception? We really need to step back and consider everyone in our congregation when we are deciding which songs we use in our services. As was mentioned previously there are literally hundreds of thousands of songs that we can choose from when deciding our set list for Sunday morning and we need to ask ourselves is it worth the risk of turning someone away from God during worship instead of towards Him? If you respond to this by saying "well it doesn't bother me so it shouldn't bother them" then your heart is further from God than you think. We need to look after those whose conscience is weaker than ours and help them grow and mature in their faith. Far be it from us to put any such stumbling block in front of those whose faith is weaker than ours. Any comments? Let me know what your opinion is on this.
Posted 10/2/2011 10:44 PM by CvDeaner - recommend - reply

As I think about the words of the song & Michael writing it, I believe he was desperately crying out to God for real concerning his addiction to pornography. He just changed the "sickness" to cancer for social acceptance because, let's be honest, if we heard he wrote this for an addiction to pornography, a lot of us would've clutched the pearls, swooned & got the vapors, and would have cast him as a pervert who shouldn't be leading God's people in worship. Because, after all, WE all got it together, right??? Granted, he was wrong for taking money & perpetrating a fraud but I believe the motive behind the song was true and pure. I love this song because it's universal to anything that's got you in bondage: sickness, addiction (chemical or otherwise), fear, doubt, unbelief, etc. I mean pick your poison! We all are struggling in our lives with something that's greater than us that only God can deliver us from. I thank God for this song because sometimes when you don't have your own words to express the deep, groaning, aching, pain you're feeling inside, songs like this help us to give voice to the darkness from which we need deliverance.
Posted 4/15/2013 4:22 PM by Beth Martinez Neloms@facebook - recommend - reply


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